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Skyy High · Jan 03, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Even if this idea went through, anyone who got married would be, I guarantee, endlessly ridiculed by the preponderance of immature players in this game. Eventually no one would want to get married...let alone married to a person of the same gender. Those would be some interesting chat logs...people call each other all kinds of names NOW; do you really want to tempt that further?

GrendelScout1 · Jan 03, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

First off, I just wanted to say that I'm not Dr. Phil in real life, nor a marraige couneslor, nor a divorce attorney.

My wife and I both play GW. My parents have been married for 35 years, and my wife's parents have been married for something like 38.

My take on this is that marriage in this video game has no place.

For all you people that think it would be fun or neat or whatever, let me tell you that marriage is work. It's not all wedding gowns and tiaras and flowers and pink flying ponies. It's mortgages, retirement planning, college saving, bills, parenting, and a lot of other things that aren't going to translate well.

Don't get me wrong, I am happily married, and my wife and I have plenty of fun, both in-game and out. But to have marriage in-game would be trivializing. As with most real life concepts that are incorporated into a virtual environment, the responsibilities associated with them are pretty damn near nonexistant in-game. Just turn on your chat channel and witness our glorious community "socializing".

Kids these days have enough exposure to flippant marriages, just go to any checkout stand and witness the countless dumbass celebrities and all their 15 minute marriages. And I'm not even going to get started on all the single moms, deadbeat dads, welfare recipients, and all the other financial burdens directly related to failed marriages/relationships.

The last thing this game needs is an npc who perfoms some sort of "marriage" ceremony, regardless of what symbolizes the union, be it approximately 6 pixels for a ring finger, a ball-and-chain /marriage emote, or an "I'm with stupid" t-shirt chestpiece. (Admittedly, those last 2 would be pretty cool, but tying them to an in-game marriage would be sad.)

For the record, I'm not particularly religious (read: at all), so I personally don't have a problem with gay people getting married. And although I would tend to disagree with this, I suppose I don't have a problem with people from West Virginia marrying their siblings, but only because I would feel sorry for their kids and would take issue with my tax dollars supporting their flipper-armed offspring (not to mention having to deal with all the extra whammos in-game).

The bottom line is:
/notsigned (for the children)

Covah · Jan 03, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

/notsigned

This is sick. Sure there MAYBE some people that would take this seriously but think about how wrong this could go. Little 10 year olds marrying 40 year old phedophiles and then having them ask where they live etc. Some guild mates just are bored one day and decide to get married so they can farm for unique items on the "island"

W\e this is sick and people could be seriously hurt or offended.

Quid Pro Quo · Jan 03, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Wrong game for this.

Maybe add more emotes that could simulate this better if you really want it but nothing official like an npc the crowd isn't mature enough for that in Guild Wars.

/notsigned, sorry

sumasage · Jan 04, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

doing this in real life

/notsigned

I'm a guy, i feel weird to "marry" my male toon to a female toon which is controlled by a male player .... ughhhhgghhhh give me the chill thinking about it.

DJCoastal · Jan 04, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

/notsigned

I don't think I would want to marry my bf over on the net... kind of weird...

Nabishin · Jan 04, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

/notsigned (but doesn't really care)

Bryant Again · Jan 04, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Not enough RPers for this to pass, I'd think.

Spirit_Axery · Jan 04, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by [KotL]Mjolnir

I'm sorry but what on earth are you babbling on about? I simply said he might be refering to the game Second Life then commented on how I would rather have ArenaNet spend time on gameplay than features like this. If all your gonna do is rant and flame people without actually reading there posts then I suggust this thread be locked asap.

It was plainly (painfully) obvious that the whole reply was aimed at the person making the Second Life reference, and that while I was clearly in a mood it was a blatant /notflame, on account of the fact that I had a fairly plain point. I wasn't just name calling or contributing crap for the sake of a few barbs.

How could you possibly have mistaken that for a response to your point when I made no reference to it? Actually, I'd already responded to anything like your point in the original post. (Upgrading PvP and PvE isn't all we should be looking at.)

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Not enough RPers for this to pass, I'd think.

Maybe not. I mean, 900+ signs wasn't enough to get an RP district and this is very heavily contested. *shrugs* I'm moving on; even though I disagree with and could argue out the majority of the "against" crew.

They seem incapable of understanding that nobody in their right mind would GW marry with an ounce of seriousness. Those outside of their right minds aren't even worth a reference. With that in mind, it's just harmless game enriching fun. Baaah.

~Mitsuki~

Curse You · Jan 04, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I have not stated that I am for or against this thread yet, however, what I don't like is all the immature people simply not agreeing, but not giving any reason to do so.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

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Quoted from the "READ BEFORE POSTING: Replying To Suggestion Threads" Sticky.

Now, anyone who just simply thinks that "GW is not a MMORPG" is gravely mistaken. The Wikipedia article on CORPG states that a CORPG is a sup-category of MMORPG.

If you think that doing something like putting in marriage will take up the time of the developers who you want to be "fixing" your precious PvP, you have no idea what you are talking about. The staff that makes Guild Wars is not simply a group of people who make the game. There are many different groups of people who work on different things, like: Sound, Game balance, Weapon design, armour design, or character modeling. So it could quite possibly be that the team that would make the coding for marriages, is not the same team that makes the coding for your "auction house".

Now that I've cleared up all the dumb posts, I can descuss the actual idea.

This game is based on one thing: the players. Without players, the game could not exsist. Now, players do many different things. Some do PvP, some do Missions, some farm, some like to stand in outposts and just chat with other people. They have shown, numberous times their support for peope who PvP, as well as people who do mission and they recognize poeple who farm (otherwise they would have made all of Tyria impossible to solo). However, they have yet to make a permanent change that supports the people who just like to chat.

Azza · Jan 04, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Sick Sick Sick
YAY another way for some sicko pedaphile to lure a trap for some poor unsuspecting little innocent girl or boy. Havnt parents got enough to watch out for as it is
OMG whats next the ability to take off a characters underwear, if i wanted to be able to get married in a game i would have bought a game that allowed it already, then hid it so my little ones could never see such rubbish

/not signed

Curse You · Jan 04, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azza

Sick Sick Sick
YAY another way for some sicko pedaphile to lure a trap for some poor unsuspecting little innocent girl or boy. Havnt parents got enough to watch out for as it is
OMG whats next the ability to take off a characters underwear, if i wanted to be able to get married in a game i would have bought a game that allowed it already, then hid it so my little ones could never see such rubbish

/not signed

Oh yea, I forgot to cover that.

What do you think people will be doing? It's not like you would just "marry" anyone. Also, it's not like, because you're married in a game, you have to have sex with the person in real life. I don't think I would care if it turned out that my character was "married" to some 40 year old guy playing on a female character, as long as they're a nice person.

Sniper22 · Jan 04, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40

/not signed

I play this game to fight mobs and pvp, not play a game a virtual life

Priest Of Sin · Jan 04, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

New Title: Married To <player name>

Wh00t!

But yeah... I take it 90% of the people who don't want "E-Drama" are 12 year olds, who have never had a relationship... but I'm not going to get all preachy. I'm just saying that it adds harmless fun to the game, the possibility of a /kiss emote, or /hug at the very least, a new potential title, ect, ect. What's the harm besides "E-Drama"...?

But whatever, this isn't going to get implemented anyhow. A man can dream though, a man can dream.

storm of daeth · Jan 04, 2007, 05:13 AM // 05:13

/not signed

I don't really care if other people get married but I think it doesen't really have a place in a game like GW or games at all. I mean come on it's a game but whatever if they do decide to put this in wich i doubt they will I won't really care because it doesen't affect me so let people do whatever the hell they want.

Aegeroth · Jan 04, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

New Title: Married To <player name>

Wh00t!

But yeah... I take it 90% of the people who don't want "E-Drama" are 12 year olds, who have never had a relationship... but I'm not going to get all preachy. I'm just saying that it adds harmless fun to the game, the possibility of a /kiss emote, or /hug at the very least, a new potential title, ect, ect. What's the harm besides "E-Drama"...?

But whatever, this isn't going to get implemented anyhow. A man can dream though, a man can dream.

Very true(about dreaming)! However i believe Guild Wars' hosts an older audience, even though im only 15. I believe the main player group to be 17ish - 25ish. And i personally believe the whole use of titles is being worn away, we have enough titles already, i mean, you can have the Title King as being Grand or President or Prime Minister or Queen and so on.. Protector of *continent* is our closest to glorious at the moment followed by Gladiator and so on. Then came Lucky, i mean, wow hey your lucky. So what. You afked in a circle for a while. So with the addition of some kind of marriage Title (possibly the length of your marriage currently standing OR longest ever), it would seem kind of stupid imo. But i think lots of things are stupid!

And on a final note, theres a good chance Anet wouldn't add this, theres a good chance they would add much at all, at anytime. Always fixy fixy on the game first, which is more important, don't get me wrong.

edit: new thoughts

I've been thinking about this and decided that;
A marriage (in real life) is something which embodies trust, love, and friendship and is taken seriously on pretty much ever level. Introducing it in to a game may violate these things were people do it for the title or do it for no real reason. Imo that really breaches what marriage means and it could get to some people that marriage is being taken as some kind of joke on a game of all places.

Spirit_Axery · Jan 04, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Back for one last post!

Quick reply to Azza: "OMG what's* next" -or- "the slippery slope" is a fallacy of argument, therefore I'll disregard it as not relevant. Furthermore, your assumptions regarding paedophiles are absurdly paranoid.

What wouldn't happen:
Person one: Haha, we're GW married! :E Now Imma' go AB in my armour 0 dress!
Person two: Wait! Now we're GW married you can give me your home address and telephone number!
Person one: Oh yeah! Okay!

What probably would:
Person one: Haha, we're GW married! :E Now Imma' go AB in my armour 0 dress!
Person two: I'm coming! We are teh married marauders! :E

I tell you what; I'll make the suggestions for new game features that balanced, right minded people can have a laugh with, and *you* can keep going with the: "too emotive to make a rational judgement" thing.

Now that that's out of the way.

Thanks Curse You, whether you support my idea or not. I've had an IM flame today telling me- and I quote "shut the hell up if people put a reason or not its their choice" end fragmented sentence quote. Luckily, I had read the message you pasted, and knew that I was entitled to argue with nay-sayers, so long as I could justify my doing so.

So yeah, that tip of the hat was actually all I came to do. I'm grateful.

~Mitsuki~

PS: A couple of people have said that GW marriages would somehow impact peoples' perception of the sanctity of marriage in real life. I disagree, on account of the fact that so long as you can tell the difference between GW and your real life, you can also tell the difference between you messing around with friends online, and a relationship. The two have nothing in common.

Although it pains me, I'll say it again: This is a harmless, game enriching bit of fun that nobody with any sense will enter into seriously.

[KotL]Mjolnir · Jan 04, 2007, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirit_Axery

It was plainly (painfully) obvious that the whole reply was aimed at the person making the Second Life reference, and that while I was clearly in a mood it was a blatant /notflame, on account of the fact that I had a fairly plain point. I wasn't just name calling or contributing crap for the sake of a few barbs.

No, just no. My aim was to defend the person and if you re-read your original reply to what that person said maybe then you'll understand what the purpose of my post was.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirit_Axery

How could you possibly have mistaken that for a response to your point when I made no reference to it? Actually, I'd already responded to anything like your point in the original post. (Upgrading PvP and PvE isn't all we should be looking at.)

Once again not reading what I wrote. I reiterated my opinion because you "painfully" don't understand that a petition is for everyone to put there point across even if it has already been mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirit_Axery

Maybe not. I mean, 900+ signs wasn't enough to get an RP district and this is very heavily contested. *shrugs* I'm moving on; even though I disagree with and could argue out the majority of the "against" crew.

They seem incapable of understanding that nobody in their right mind would GW marry with an ounce of seriousness. Those outside of their right minds aren't even worth a reference. With that in mind, it's just harmless game enriching fun. Baaah.

I'm afraid its you that is incapble of understanding what Guild Wars is and to suggest that those against this idea are somehow mentally deficient and even manage to get a quick insult in towards a certain group of people suggests what type of character you are. To suggest you could argue the majority of those against this idea shows your egotistical and as I said before no matter what I and others will say your always gonna turn our arguments to benefit your own twisted logic.

Theres this thing that most other MMO games have that Guild Wars doesn't... fees, Guild Wars is to some extent the Counter-Strike of all MMO (CORPG). Quick and easy to pickup and play (as ArenaNet have stated many a time) Guild Wars doesn't need to add features like marriages because it is and has always been about the gameplay that is afterall what the majority of Guild Wars players are here for. Now Guild Wars isn't completely oblivious otherwise we wouldn't have different armours and minipets and so on. However for a free game thats an MMO they need to focus on what sells and I'm sorry but thats not marriages and I agree with that and if this thread is anything to go by so does the rest of the community.

evilways · Jan 04, 2007, 11:44 AM // 11:44

/not signed

this is GUILDWARS... we are talking about.... i'd recon we are already bonded within our respective guilds AS A GUILD...
no harm in adding a user as a friend for other purposes

Mister Muhkuh · Jan 04, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

/signed

someone who does not like the feature is not forced to marry someone, eh?